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Wikky

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Problems with Taylor electrics
« on: July 15, 2012, 07:00:31 AM »
I'm looking to buy a Taylor 410ce / 414ce but get the feeling that there are problems with the electrics on some models. Which year must I buy to ensure that the bug-free version is fitted?
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Re: Problems with Taylor electrics
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2012, 12:31:19 PM »
I wouldn't worry too much about the differences in electronics, if it breaks down it won't be hard to fix under the instrument's warranty.
Over the years the guitar's electronics went through some significant changes but as far as I know all new guitars are fitted with the Expression System II
I've only read about problems with the 9 volt battery size, which can differ from manufaturer to manufacturer.
If it doesn't fit, don't try to make it fit but stick to what's adviced in the guitar's manual.
The difference between ES I and ES II isn't exactly clear to me, however a recent post suggests that ES II has some improvements over ES I.
Older Taylors are fitted with L.R. Baggs electronics recognisable by the more visible EQ's. Some people prefer these over the ES but I believe they're more sensitive to feedback.
Alternatively you could buy a guitar without any electronics and fit 3rd party hardware, there's a wide choice in a wide pricerange for those. However I've never been a fan of these as they all are somehow mounted to the top and influence the guitar's vibrations, or may need expert skill to mount them properly. Like drilling holes and wiring in such a way that the wires don't cause additional noises.

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Re: Problems with Taylor electrics
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2012, 11:25:36 PM »
after speaking with a tech supervisor at taylor guitars the new ES electronics from 2010 are the third generation and second edition since converting to the 9v battery.

i believe he said that the 9v battery ES was implemented in 2007.  (the second generation.)  this came with two dynamic string sensors.

the latest upgrade has only one dynamic string sensor.  (second generation with the 9v battery).
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Re: Problems with Taylor electrics
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2012, 11:26:43 PM »
I'm looking to buy a Taylor 410ce / 414ce but get the feeling that there are problems with the electrics on some models. Which year must I buy to ensure that the bug-free version is fitted?
Thanks guys,
Wikky
hi Wikky,
good to see you here :)

WELCOME !on the standard 410/414ce models (ovangkol back & sides, satin finish with a gloss top)
there were 3 main iterations of ES (with some revisions in between) -
04-06 2AA power supply, 2 body sensors (non-defeatable) &
somewhere along the line, the pre-amp was revoiced

07-09 (& some early 10 models) -  9V power supply, power LED
2 body sensors (defeatable), string ground with fusible link

10/current - 9V, discrete pre-amp (transistors, rather than 'op-amps')
single body sensor (defeatable) & relocated humbucker 'dummy coil'

the early models 04-06 had some concerns, but not all were directly related
to the ES itself (poorly grounded electrical source, leaking AA batteries)

Taylor used Fishman electronics (from 97-03) on the 400CE series with an onboard
pre-amp & Matrix UST (97-00 Prefix, 01-02 Prefix +, 03 Stereo blender with mic)

LR Baggs electronics (RTS & Dual-Source) were available factory installed on pre-CE
models (91-96) & the hexaphonic with onboard preamp on the DDSM (00-current)

other build changes in the 400 series to be taken into consideration -
98-mid 99 - pre NT neck, with 1 11/16" nut standard on the 410ce
(1 3/4" is standard on the 414ce & standard on 01/later 410ce)

04-06 - unbound fretboards
fall 06/later - standard II forward shifted bracing with relief rout
07/current - scarfjoint headstock, rather than the fingerjoint

the 9V ES offers a bit more versatility in that the body sensor(s) can be defeated battery life is a bit longer
than the 2 AA (& there is a power LED) & the tone seems to be more balanced & a bit warmer overall -
my suggestion would be to play the guitar(s) you're considering & go with the one that sounds the best
to you, for as time goes on, electronics will inevitably need to be serviced & the ES is readily upgradable
« Last Edit: July 25, 2012, 10:13:39 PM by michaelw »
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Re: Problems with Taylor electrics
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2012, 11:36:15 PM »
aloha michaelw.
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Re: Problems with Taylor electrics
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2012, 11:44:19 PM »
hey there :)
i'm glad that your 414ceLTD-R is going to be taken care of (& then some) 8)


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Re: Problems with Taylor electrics
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 12:01:10 AM »
...couldn't be happier.
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Re: Problems with Taylor electrics
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2012, 02:23:56 AM »
I'm really grateful for all this great info/advice. Many thanks guys.
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