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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #90 on: January 20, 2013, 11:12:52 PM »
It wouldn't be the first time there's been a mistake on the website.

Or maybe since there's no black 100-series, they decided to use a cheaper wood for the 200 black models since it's painted over anyway.  I guess we'll eventually find out.  Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.
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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #91 on: January 21, 2013, 12:04:09 AM »
the outer laminate wouldn't be visible as the finish is a solid black, but the inner
veneer is visible through the soundhole, which was maple on the 11 & 12 models -
if there will be gloss (transparent) finish 200 series maples, then there wouldn' t really be any
reason for the black model to still be made with maple laminate if the inner laminate is sapele

currently on the website, there is no 214ceBLK listed under maple laminate models
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/acoustic/features/woods/body-woods/maple-laminate
nor is there a 214ceBLK listed under sapele laminate models
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/acoustic/features/woods/body-woods/sapele-laminate
but under the GS mini LTD maple, the 214ceBLK is still showing as being a maple lamnate model
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/acoustic/gs-mini-maple

the original 600 series (78) was stained mahogany, so maybe this is kind of a 'throw-back' ???
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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #92 on: January 21, 2013, 10:29:59 AM »
It wouldn't be the first time there's been a mistake on the website.

Or maybe since there's no black 100-series, they decided to use a cheaper wood for the 200 black models since it's painted over anyway.  I guess we'll eventually find out.  Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

I really don't think a company like Taylor would advertise something as Rosewood, and then build it out of Sapele. Doing that would destroy their hard earned reputation.

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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #93 on: January 21, 2013, 11:04:08 AM »
the other 200 series models (natural & sunburst) show rosewood laminate -
the 200 link (200 put in the search bar) shows the 214ceBLK as being maple laminate (on Nov 29th, 2011)
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/acoustic/200-series

the 214ceBLK link shows it as being sapele laminate
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/acoustic/214ce-blk

the search by series shows rosewood laminate, other than the 214ceBLK
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/acoustic/series/200

i think that there's a little more updating that has yet to be done on the site

for me, i haven't related sapele to the 200 series for a good while (06) &
it seems like there would be no need to use a maple neck, unless there is
a discernable difference in either tone or cost, but it would seem that by
standardizing the body with the 214ce SB, the only difference would be
shooting a gloss black finish or a gloss burst top with satin back & sides

sapele, maple or rosewood laminate makes no difference when the finish is opague & on
the solid black 600 series & the DDSM, the maple can only be seen on the inside anyways -
all gloss black sapele laminate with hard rock maple neck ... ok
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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #94 on: January 21, 2013, 12:59:10 PM »
I'd like to finally see them do something about the website...
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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #95 on: January 21, 2013, 05:01:44 PM »
I really don't think a company like Taylor would advertise something as Rosewood, and then build it out of Sapele. Doing that would destroy their hard earned reputation.

I guess they didn't see it that way.  I emailed them and asked if the black version was really sapele and here is the response:

"That is correct. Since we paint it black, we use Sapele for the outside veneer. On laminate models the veneer wood doesn’t really affect the tone like the wood choice on a solid wood guitar.

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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #96 on: January 21, 2013, 05:12:52 PM »
I really don't think a company like Taylor would advertise something as Rosewood, and then build it out of Sapele. Doing that would destroy their hard earned reputation.

I guess they didn't see it that way.  I emailed them and asked if the black version was really sapele and here is the response:

"That is correct. Since we paint it black, we use Sapele for the outside veneer. On laminate models the veneer wood doesn’t really affect the tone like the wood choice on a solid wood guitar.

Thanks,
Glen Wolff
Taylor Guitars
Customer Service Manager"


Interesting.

That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen, for the simple reason that nowhere do they advertise Sapele as being used on the 200's.

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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #97 on: January 21, 2013, 06:03:19 PM »
That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen, for the simple reason that nowhere do they advertise Sapele as being used on the 200's.

It is clearly stated on the website that the 214ce-blk is sapele laminate.
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« Reply #98 on: January 21, 2013, 06:26:51 PM »
That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen, for the simple reason that nowhere do they advertise Sapele as being used on the 200's.

It is clearly stated on the website that the 214ce-blk is sapele laminate.

Well, if the website is the "end all", why does it make no mention of the fact that Taylor is using both Koa and Maple on 200's?

And why would the black 200's be omitted from a list of the guitars, on Taylor's website, which states which models are made of laminated Sapele?

http://www.taylorguitars.com/es/guitars/acoustic/woods/body-woods/sapele-laminate

As I said earlier, it wouldn't be the first time there's been an error on the website. Looking at the 2013 Guitar Guide, the word "Sapele" does not exist in the secifications list of the 200 Series. Additionally, the blurb about laminates in the Guitar Guide discusses the use of exotic woods on the 200 Series. Again, no mention of Sapele (which is not exactly "exotic").
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« Reply #99 on: January 21, 2013, 07:34:36 PM »
picked up a copy of W&S (2013 guitar guide) & looking at the 200 model listings
my interpretation of it is this - from the front to the back, starting with body shapes
GA - 214ce, 214ce-N, 214ce-K, 214ce-SB, 214ce-BLK
DN - 210ce, 210ce-K, 210ce-SB, 210ce-BLK

'each model listed above is available as a non-cutaway with electronics or a non-cutaway without electronics'

i take that to mean each model listed as being available in a 21Xe or 21X -
so, it looks like there will be 27 different 200 series models, compared to 10 last year

tonewoods - wood laminate
the pic shows what appears to be a 114, 214 & GS mini
with no mention of the type of outer veneers being used

guitars by series - 200 series
back/sides rosewood, maple or koa laminate
finish - gloss top, satin back & sides
(all gloss for maple & koa models)
bracing - standard II (relief rout not listed)

there was no mention of a transparent gloss finish 200 series maple guitar (21Xce-MA?), so unless
maple laminate was going to be used on the 200 BLK, or if there will be 200 MA models released
later in the year (LTD or added as standard models, which would bring the count up to 33), to me
it seems like there wasn't a definitive decision made regarding the use of maple laminate back then

to me, at the time of W&S's printing, it seems like that the backs & sides for the 200 BLK
models may  have not been determined, although i imagine prototypes would
have been built, but prototypes do not necessarily reflect the production models 100% -
perhaps it was a 'running' change, which would be covered under

'models and specifications are subject to change without notice'

i was only able to find any mention of maple laminate in a couple of links &
those likely are in need of being updated (the 214ceBLK specs show sapele)

i guess it is what it is

also, the guide offers no info, that i could find, regarding scale length, nut width
nut & saddle material or bridge pins - i guess specs will be on the price list ???
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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #100 on: January 22, 2013, 12:21:55 AM »
i guess it is what it is
or, it is what it was ;)

as of 9:19PM 01.21-13

214ce BLK
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/acoustic/214ce-blk
maple laminate guitars
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/acoustic/woods/body-woods/maple-laminate

just add koa laminate for the 200-K & tasmanian blackwood laminate for the GS mini LTD ...
er, or just koa laminate for the 200-K (had to click on a couple of things, but blackwood's there)
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/acoustic/features/woods/body-woods/blackwood-laminate

it's all good :D
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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #101 on: January 22, 2013, 12:40:52 AM »
I couldn't see them being Sapele.

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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #102 on: January 22, 2013, 04:15:51 PM »
I couldn't see them being Sapele.

I emailed Taylor again.  The website is incorrect and they have switched to sapele on the black models.  Below is the reply.  I added to bold part.

Hi Lee,
Sorry for the confusion. I see the note now you’re referring to.
We used maple up until a couple weeks ago when we switched to Sapele. The spec sheet was changed (if you click on the “specifications” box) but that note under the guitar wasn’t changed.
Thanks for pointing that out. I’ll have our web team update the description.

Thanks,
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« Reply #103 on: January 22, 2013, 05:21:35 PM »
The description of the guitar; that paragraph right below the guitar, still states "Maple".

They're a mess. That website is a mess.

It seems as though people aren't verifying things before they have them put on the website.

I wouldn't hang my hat on anything right now.

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Re: Taylor and NAMM
« Reply #104 on: January 22, 2013, 05:58:28 PM »
That website is a mess.  It seems as though people aren't verifying things before they have them put on the website.

I wouldn't hang my hat on anything right now.

I agree with you on that! ;)
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