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Taylor Serial numbers
« on: September 19, 2016, 01:20:36 PM »
I'm writing a little app to decode serial numbers.
Has anyone got any valid examples of 9 or 11 digit serials for testing purposes?

I believe they were used from 1993 until the current 10 digit system was introduced sometime after 2000 but I'm not sure exactly when that was.

If you have could you post here or PM me please?

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Re: Taylor Serial numbers
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2016, 03:54:20 PM »
This comes straight from the Taylor Guitars website:

Monday, January 9, 2012
By: jonathan.forstot
Q: When was my guitar made?

A: The new, 10-digit serial numbering format identifies the factory of production, year, date and the assigned number of the guitar on that day’s production schedule, although the numerical sequence is slightly different from the previous system. For example, the serial number for the first guitar built in the El Cajon factory on November 2, 2009 is 1011029001. Here’s how it breaks down:

FACTORY   YEAR (3RD DIGIT)   MONTH   DAY   YEAR (4TH DIGIT)   PROD. SCHED. #
1   0 (2009)   11   02   9 (2009)   001
Factory designation: 1 = El Cajon 2 = Tecate
Accordingly, the serial number for the first guitar built in the Tecate factory on November 2, 2009 is 2011029001.

From 1993 until the end of 1999, each Taylor guitar featured a nine-digit serial number that precisely pinpoints when work was begun on that guitar. As of 2000, the serial number expanded to 11 digits to accommodate the four-digit year designation. Reading left to right, the first two digits (or four starting in 2000) represent the year; the second pair of digits represent the month; and the third pair of digits represents the calendar day that work was begun. The seventh digit is a series code number – 0 for 300 or 400 Series, 1 for 500 thru Presentation Series, 2 for 200 Series, 3 for Baby and Big Baby Series, 5 for T5, 7 for Nylon Series, 8 for 100 Series, and 9 for SolidBody Series. The last two digits denote the guitar's position in that day's production sequence. For models older than 1993, please refer to the chart below. 

 

SERIAL NUMBERS   YEAR   
[didn't use serial numbers!]   1974   
10109 to 10146   1975   
20147 to 20315   1976   
30316 to [--]450   1977   
451 to 900   1978   
901 to 1300   1979   
1301 to 1400   1980   
1401 to 1670   1981   
1671 to 1951   1982   
1952 to 2445   1983   
2446 to 3206   1984   
3207 to 3888   1985   
3889 to 4778   1986   
4779 to 5981   1987   
5982 to 7831   1988   
7832 to 10070   1989   
10071 to 12497   1990   
12498 to 15249   1991   
15250 to 17947   1992   

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Re: Taylor Serial numbers
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2016, 05:48:41 PM »
Thanks, that's the info I'm using but I just wanted to test it with real 9 and 11 digit serials before I let it loose.

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Re: Taylor Serial numbers
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2016, 07:46:27 PM »
I've actually found some serial numbers that work but does anyone know where they were produced in which years before El Cajon and Tecate?

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Re: Taylor Serial numbers
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2016, 05:23:28 PM »
I've actually found some serial numbers that work but does anyone know where they were produced in which years before El Cajon and Tecate?

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Craig
if i recall correctly, the babies & big babies started in tecate in 06,
the 100 series in 08, 200 series in 09 & the gs minis in 10.

the current serial # configuration did not start until 11.02-09,
but there was a check digit (3rd digit from the right) -
YEARMMDDXYZ
X
0 - satin back & sides with gloss top (el cajon)
1 -  gloss body (el cajon)
other - (i.e. 3, 6, 7) made in tecate

also, the 91 & 92 400 series used a different serial # sequence -
91 - 4-0001 to 1132
92 - 4-1133 to 3152
4-1132
https://www.themusiczoo.com/blogs/news/taylor-guitars-serial-number-dating-guide
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Re: Taylor Serial numbers
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2016, 10:53:05 AM »
Interesting stuff Michael, so where were they made before El Cajon and Tecate?

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Re: Taylor Serial numbers
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2016, 11:53:20 AM »
As I've read Taylor books/articles over the years, I've made notes on Taylor facts. This is what I have on the subject that might answer your question.

1974-1986: Lemon Grove, CA
1986-1992: Santee, CA
1992-current: El Cajon, CA
2000-current: Tecate, Mexico
March 2016: Tecate, Mexico (new facility/factory)

Interesting fact: My husband and I lived on Santee Rd in MI for 16 years.
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Re: Taylor Serial numbers
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2016, 12:03:04 PM »
Thanks TaylorGirl,
I did try Googling but I couldn't find that info.

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Re: Taylor Serial numbers
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2016, 12:09:39 PM »
Interesting stuff Michael, so where were they made before El Cajon and Tecate?

Craig
i'm quite not sure i understand your exact question -
before going to tecate, the babies were made in el cajon
starting in 96 & the big babies in 00,  the 100s (03-07) &
200 series (03-08) were also made in el cajon to begin with

the gs minis began in tecate in 10 (only prototypes were made in el cajon)

in terms of the full size, all solid wood models (300 series up)
they were made in lemon grove in 74-87 -
800 & 900 series, then 700s, 500s & 600s (1st mahogany, then maple)
jumbos (X15), dreadnoughts (X10) & grand concerts (X12)

in 87, Taylor moved to santee & the 400 series began in 91 -
in 92, the factory moved to el cajon, the grand auditorium (X14)
was introduced in 94, the acoustic bass, PS, 300s, koa & walnut series
shortly thereafter, NS, T5, grand symphony (X16), SB, T3, bari
(X16), 12 fret (X12), grand orchestra (X18) models followed

i came across this, but it's hardly helpful
http://www.guitardaterproject.org/taylor.aspx

i put in a # (12345) & got this as a result


Guitar Info
Your guitar was made
in 1976, 1990, 1991 or 1992
Production Number: 12345

12345 can only be a 1990 model, made in santee

4-2345 received no result at all -
92 400 series model that was likely made in santee (or el cajon)

there are other builders that reused serial #s,
but the year model can usually be determined by
the appointments or where the guitar was built

the factory information was on a previous
iteration of the website (2 revisions ago :-\ ) -
https://www.themusiczoo.com/blogs/news/taylor-guitars-serial-number-dating-guide
note that there is a serial number that positively shows the first guitar
made in santee (5301), as that was a split year & el cajon 16251
(5300 & 16250 were started in one factory & finished in another)
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Re: Taylor Serial numbers
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2016, 03:24:44 AM »
Thanks for all the info, I'll try and include it ib the app including the 400 series oddities.

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