Author Topic: Best feedback busters for any Taylor’s?  (Read 5395 times)

Dustin41

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 11
Best feedback busters for any Taylor’s?
« on: March 02, 2019, 12:11:54 PM »
I have a w65ce and an 814ce that i use regularly. Even with passive pickups it still has a lot of wedge
Feedback issues.  What in your experience has been the best feedback busters for Taylor’s in general?

-Dustin

1997 AB1
2001 w65ce
2005 814ce
2008 Bt1
2006 rockbridge
2000 Martin dm3md
2012 Veillette Gryphon custom
1990 Gibson Chet Atkins sst 12
1991 Gibson Chet Atkins sst Celebrity
1999 Gibson Chet Atkins sst 6
2009 Jerry Jones Neptune baritone
2006 fender USA fender strat deluxe
2004 Gibson Sg Platinum
2006 Zachary Guy Florentine

ericjungemann

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 120
Re: Best feedback busters for any Taylor’s?
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2019, 12:34:22 PM »
I'm not a super sound guy but I've found a soundhole cover really helps.
Cheap and worth a try . . .
https://www.amazon.com/Planet-Waves-Screeching-Acoustic-Soundhole/dp/B0010SHU18/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=soundhole+cover&qid=1551547890&s=gateway&sr=8-5

There are electronic solutions (sweep filters in DIs etc.)

Eric
Eric Jungemann
GS Mini E Koa Plus
150e

sacredground

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 103
  • Give me a good guitar...or two good guitars, or...
Re: Best feedback busters for any Taylor’s?
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2019, 09:23:07 PM »
Feedback can be a complicated question. Assuming you have control over stage volume and EQ, another option would be a preamp with a notch filter:
Baggs Para DI
Baggs Venue DI
Baggs Session DI (which I’m partial to)

Soundhole plug is the cheapest alternative, though. Good luck.


 
Making music since 1973

Lowden Bensusan adi over honduran rw
Lowden Pierre Bensusan Old Lady
2019 Taylor 914ce V Class Sitka over EIR
2019 614ce Torrefied Sitka over flamed maple

Dustin41

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 11
Re: Best feedback busters for any Taylor’s?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2019, 12:36:58 AM »
I use the venue DI.  The problem is that i use 3-4 acoustic instruments thru it live.  EQ is usually the same but some of them are a little hotter - mostly the two passive ones. 

Most of the larger stages don’t have issues but the club stages do. 

Edward

  • Global Moderator
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3059
Re: Best feedback busters for any Taylor’s?
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2019, 06:28:45 PM »
As was stated, feedback is all about EQ, stage volume, and proximity to speakers (perhaps in your case floor wedges?).  And if you've got high stage volume on a cramped floor, then your ability to address "proximity" is decreased.  So, how hot are your wedges?!!

I assume you are using the Venue's notch filter?  And with the guits with the hotter pickup, you could turn down for those.  OR, you could turn down to accommodate for the hotter guitars, and use the Venue's boost switch for the one other guitar?

What are the pickups, btw ...piezo based?  I'm confused as your w65 and 814 have "ce" so did you remove the ES?   If the ES is still operative, you can turn off just the body sensor which leaves you with the fingerboard mag pup which is totally feedback resistant.

Ultimate solution is the rubber plug.  But I'd work at it before resorting to that end, personally.

Edward

Dustin41

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 11
Re: Best feedback busters for any Taylor’s?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2019, 09:55:27 PM »
The w65 is an 01 that came with an onboard Taylor branded Fishman prefix.

The 05 814 has a Fishman matrix infinity that my
Buddy custom ordered through our local
Taylor guy.

My Martin has a Fishman stereo blender which Martin said was an install they did to custom order.

The Veillette has a 18v DTAR which i can really dial down.

My rockbridge has a passive K+K mini, which ironically is the hottest of the bunch.

 


Some of the smaller clubs we play have hot wedges.  I am acquiring a full IEm setup for Everyone but in the meantime we have to make do.  So if i
Get feedback i should dial the notch filter ? It’s mostly that type of feedback where if I’m playing an open chord it goes “wwwwhhhhhaaaaaaa” at the end. Ugh

Edward

  • Global Moderator
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3059
Re: Best feedback busters for any Taylor’s?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2019, 10:48:27 PM »
Hey Dustin,

OK, so good to know about the various types of pups you're using, thanks!

Your IEMs will likely solve your problem as my suspicion is you're getting low-end feedback via your floor wedges ...super common with acoustics!  You've got to do what you can do in the meantime to reduce your stage volume.  I get what you're saying, I used to stand to the right of the drummer, so snare, hihat, and crash was all in my face so yeah, I need the vol up just to hear myself.  But try EQing bottom end out of your wedge if you can, but if yours is not on an individual channel, then cut some bottom and try bumping up some mid-highs a bit to get tonal definition with less volume so you can hear what you're doing, and trust that the FOH sound is good despite what you're hearing in the wedge.

Yes on the notch filter.  Play that open chord and find that freq with your Venue's notch filter control.  The problem is that the frequency you find (which you will then attenuate) will be different for each of your guitars.  So while the notch filter will most certainly help, ultimately it is the combination of reducing volume and attenuating the offending freq that will end your feedback woes. 

Edward
« Last Edit: March 03, 2019, 10:50:53 PM by Edward »

Guitars44me

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 204
  • Live Long, tune up often, and Play Pretty
Re: Best feedback busters for any Taylor’s?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2019, 12:49:36 AM »
 :).  How to reduce feedback is the age old question of live bands.
Bluegrass folks would argue that EVERYTHING WAS BETTER BEFORE ELECTRICITY....  HAHA

"So while the notch filter will most certainly help, ultimately it is the combination of reducing volume and attenuating the offending freq that will end your feedback woes."

Get your drummer to play softer, and turn down the offending axes in the monitors. Trust your FOH guy and hope for the best.

You can try a soundhole plug or even gaffers tape over the sound hole, too.  CHEAP!!!

Having played in bands for 30 years I can testify that most play WAY too loud. If you want to RAWK THAT LOUD break out your Telecaster.

IEMs should help but don't ruin your hearing with them either!

It is hard to get live bands to relax unless they have played way more than most ever will.

I wish you luck! Protect your ears. Someday you will be old like me...   hahahahahahaha.

Really, You might want to be able to hear your grandkids sing!

Paul

« Last Edit: March 04, 2019, 12:51:26 AM by Guitars44me »

Guitars44me

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 204
  • Live Long, tune up often, and Play Pretty
Re: Best feedback busters for any Taylor’s?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2019, 12:52:08 AM »
:).  How to reduce feedback is the age old question of live bands.
Bluegrass folks would argue that EVERYTHING WAS BETTER BEFORE ELECTRICITY....  HAHA

"So while the notch filter will most certainly help, ultimately it is the combination of reducing volume and attenuating the offending freq that will end your feedback woes."

Get your drummer to play softer, and turn down the offending axes in the monitors. Trust your FOH guy and hope for the best.

You can try a soundhole plug or even gaffers tape over the sound hole, too.  CHEAP!!!

Having played in bands for 30 years before I went solo I can testify that most play WAY too loud. If you want to RAWK THAT LOUD break out your Telecaster.

IEMs should help but don't ruin your hearing with them either!

It is hard to get live bands to relax unless they have played way more than most ever will.

I wish you luck! Protect your ears. Someday you will be old like me...   hahahahahahaha.

Really, You might want to be able to hear your grandkids sing!

Paul